John Wareham | The President’s Therapist

September 7, 2009

Dr. Kent: Welcome back to Sound Authors. My next guest on the show is John Wareham. He’s the author of The President’s Therapist, and he’s a leadership psychologist, lecturer, writer and poet. Welcome to the show, John Wareham.

John Wareham: Great, pleasure to be here. Thank you so much.

Dr. Kent: Well tell me a little about this book. Incredible title, and surely intriguing subject. The President’s Therapist.

John Wareham: The President’s Therapist, and The Secret Intervention to Treat the Alcoholism of George W. Bush is the full title. But yeah, on one level it’s a thriller where insurgents in the White retain a leadership psychologist to help George Bush overcome his addiction to alcohol and reverse the course of the Iraq war. But on a deeper level again, it is not just a thrilled, it is not merely a window into George Bush’s life, but it’s actually a life changer that instills the lifetime of work that I’ve had working with CEOs at one end of the social spectrum, and prison inmates at the other. And so, one review had said that it was a parable for leaders and followers, daughters and sons and wives, addicts and onlookers.

Dr. Kent: Well, and it’s such a hot topic, you know, but until the last hundred days there was no more, I guess controversial figure in the world maybe than George W. Bush, and he’s still on the tip of all of our tongues. Why did you choose such a hot topic?

John Wareham: Well, there were three reasons for that. First as a lifetime leadership coach, I could see that George Bush was the classic salesman over-promoted to CEO, and as such that he was in need of some serious help. But because I also work with a, as a substance abuse counselor, I was very quick to see that he was, when he began to slur his words and become (inaudible) and rigid, which are all signs of an alcoholic. Of course, he showed up to work with a black eye, as you recall, and he claimed that he fell off a couch. It seemed very clear, I thought, that he was desperately in need of help at that point. But then the third reason, which, the thing that actually got to me, I suppose more than anything else, was this whole torture issue. Because I became an American citizen because I believed in their ideals and I believed in their values, and we were the good guy. But suddenly we were not the good guys. Suddenly we were actually practicing torture. And it was hard for me to believe it. Now, I thought I should help, and I believe that if I could sit down with George Bush I would be able to show him what his blind spots were, as I’ve been able to do with other CEOs. But obviously I wasn’t going to be invited to the White House to help, and so I created a leadership psychologist and I sent him in to do this work for me, actually.

Dr. Kent: Hmmm, that’s fascinating. And that’s you, I also come from a family of therapists, and I have to say that they all have their theories about President George Bush as well. And it’s such a fascinating thing because he wasn’t necessarily all that up front about his trials and troubles.

John Wareham: No. The key to understanding him is to appreciate that he was effectively an abused child, actually. That he lived in a horror there as a child, everything seemed to be perfect. But in fact it wasn’t at all. He was emotionally abandoned by the father, he wasn’t ever there anyway. He was off with his mistress and all sorts of other women friends that he had, and he was pursuing his career. And he was left in the care of Barbara Bush, who although, I mean, she seems like a congenial individual, but in fact if you look a little closer, she was a very cold, callous and somewhat cruel individual. And so here’s George Bush as a small child having to deal with this, being accepted on one level, it would seem, and yet being rejected on another. And so he became an incredibly anxious person. And that’s why I would suggest that he had to drink the way that he did, and of course he was in drugs and everything, because it was his underlying anxiety.

Dr. Kent: Well, and it’s also, in watching then President George Bush over 8 years, he did ease up a little bit towards the end. Now, at the beginning he just seemed like he didn’t fit at all. And actually at the very end he seemed very uncomfortable. He wanted to get out. But it’s almost like a heyday for a psychologist to look at this fellow’s career in office.

John Wareham: Yes, well he was engaged, I mean here he is an anxious individual, right, who had been a serious alcoholic. And you give that up for religion, and then he’s engaged from that point on as, I guess he always was, in the classic Oedipal struggle to outperform his father. But that was not going to be a easy thing for him to do at all because the father was an authentic over-achiever. And he was a genuine hero and an athlete and a scholar. Whereas the son was infinitely less gifted, and try as he would, try as he did, he couldn’t ever, he couldn’t ever out-perform the old man. I mean, he came close some people would argue. But at the end of the day, I would say that he really brought the whole family name into disrepute. That’s how ultimately he was able to get even as it were. He was, he’s the classic person who destroys himself because he’s anxious, and he can see that he’s just unable to win at the end.

Dr. Kent: Well and it’s so fascinating how, you know, you are to be applauded just for the concept of the book. What if you were to have the chance to sit down with the President and change his life and as a result of that change the course of world history? How could that therapist in the White House have changed the course of history?

John Wareham: Well, I think he came very close in the book. If you read the book, he sits down with George Bush and is able to lead him to an understanding of the forces that compelled him to make the awful decisions that he did. And in order to bring a person to the light, in order to bring a person to an enlightenment, you can’t sit opposite of them and say, “Listen, the problem with you is that you just don’t think clearly, and you don’t see clearly.” I mean, you can’t do that. You have to lead the person to an understanding of the unconscious forces. And this is what Dr. Alter actually does with him. Now we all, we all have similar problems but, and that’s why the book was interesting. Other people that have actually read the book said that they saw themselves on the pages there because Bush doesn’t really understand why he would condone torture. I mean, he’s got no inkling really of why he went along with all that. But the answer to the question is that he was just treated cruelly when he was growing up. And there are some other forces at play as well, which I actually explain in the book. But bit by bit he gradually comes to see this. And if a person can genuinely see what their problems are, then they want to end them. And so this is where the book actually gets to, where he isn’t that keen to address the harm that he did. And unfortunately there are other forces that then come into play. I’m not sure whether you got to the end of the book, but the end of the book is a very satisfying thing, I think, and it will please everybody, too, whichever side of the aisle that you’re on. I think that if you had the ending, and I should say as well that Dr. Alter is in there to help George Bush, and so he treats him with understanding and care and empathy. And so this isn’t a book that seeks to destroy George Bush or to make fun of him, but actually to help him. I’ve got a feeling that he’s actually read the book. But anyway, that’s a whole other thing, and if he hasn’t, I wish he would.

Dr. Kent: Well, and you know, in, I was so surprised, you know. George Bush was very humble when Barac Obama came into power, and he was very gracious it seemed on the outside, and then I was very surprised that when he got down to Texas he said, “Well, you know, I’m back home now, and I didn’t do anything wrong.” It was sort of this sort of regression almost to sort of a protected place. He’s such a fascinating character in the history of the United States, and I think he always will be. But talk about the actual George Bush, and do you think he did have therapy?

John Wareham: No, I don’t think he did. He would have been much better off if he had. At this point, even though he may have done neither, but I think he feels an unbelievable amount of shame. Because again, he has wound up, as it were, lying in the gutter. I mean, Obama comes in and has clearly completely eclipsed him. He’s gone the other direction (inaudible). But what George Bush, at the end of it, his approval ratings were unbelievably low, and he has gone out in, I would say, disgrace. And I would think he’s got to, he’s got to learn to somehow deal with that and to begin with, he’s explaining it away and saying that history will judge. But I don’t think that that isn’t, I don’t think that that actually will wash with him. Outwardly, his style was that of the folksy cowboy. And people thought was fine. You know, he seemed like a folksy guy, and he seemed like a down home individual. But what you couldn’t quite see under that, there was a tremendous amount of anger and anxiety. And he provoked a war that he didn’t have to have. He could have ended the torture, but he didn’t. So if we go to treaty by the (inaudible) affairs, we can say well, outwardly he seems like a nice congenial individual who has got a (inaudible), especially the people. But that’s not at the end of the day what his actions revealed, right? At the end of the day he began a war we didn’t have to be in, he is responsible for the lives of 4,000 men and women who are dead now. And you can slice it any (inaudible). This is not a sort of legacy that you would wish for yourself at all. And if he hadn’t been there I don’t think these things would have ever have happened. Anyway, that’s what happened on his watch. And so he will…yes?

Dr. Kent: He’s almost, he’s almost too good to be true for a novelist. It’s almost so, he’s already so much of a character that you have something really interesting to work with.

John Wareham: Yes, (inaudible) to work with. Well, actually the psychoanalyst himself has got some issues of his own, which comes through in the book. And he’s dealing with the death of his own son through drugs. So he himself is very much attuned to George Bush’s problems and understanding of them. And that understanding that he brings makes it possible for George Bush to go along with the treatment that is offered. And he leads him to the point of the world is going to alter, and we see what happens then. Anyway, I don’t want to spell out the whole book, but as I say, it’s got a great ending, and I think the story was already one through, 72 hours it happens and it’s happening on a personal level for Bush, it’s also happening on a personal level for Dr. Alter, and it’s happening on a personal level for the reader also, cause I don’t think, people have said that you can’t read this book and not be altered yourself.

Dr. Kent: Well, it’s certainly a, I certainly believe those statements because you’ve had a past of writing many different varieties of books, including the working with prisoners in becoming leaders, Secrets of a Corporate Headhunter.

John Wareham: Right.

Dr. Kent: And then also your other novel, Chancey On Top. How is this novel different for you in that fold?

John Wareham: How is this one different? Well, you get a chance to, I mean, everybody would have liked to have sit opposite George Bush and to confront him, right, on the death of these young men. And so in this book, the reader gets the opportunity to do just that. I mean, he’s there, as it happens. And that was fun for me to do that. And I really, I guess the other thing about the book was I really didn’t know, I didn’t know how it would end. I mean, when you begin on a novel you know approximately what you’re up to. But to see how George Bush would respond to treatment. And again, everyone, if you’ve read the book has said it seems that this is exactly how he would behave. So by that he begins to see the light, he begins to understand his behavior, he begins to feel that, he begins to see the harm that he has done, he begins to wish to alter everything, and then it gets very exciting as well. I was also able to have a talk with Dick Chaney as well, which was sort of funny, and Carl Rove, so they were in the book. And also he has a section with Laura Bush, also. So it’s, you know, some underlying issues around, which nice people don’t really know. I mean, the fact that she, the fact that she killed her former boyfriend, you know, isn’t all that well known. I mean, it isn’t. Well, she did it, she ran the guy over in her car. I mean, she was never prosecuted, they said it was an accident, but again Dr. Alter’s left to, he’s left to speculate about that, and everyone else has been, too. So I think the family, the family history there is laid out. And again, it’s all very clear and then helping her to understand why she was attracted to a man who has got alcohol problems all his own. It makes for pretty interesting reading. But I was especially pleased at the way the endings have finally all come together (inaudible) check out the end. I mean (inaudible) novel, you want everything to come together at the end, you want the excitement to build, and it certainly did for me the whole way through. And it was only after I completed the book the first time that I thought this is excellent. I couldn’t believe that I did it. But then I had this other great idea, so I went back and I fiddled with that, I fiddled with the book, and at the end of the day I thought it was the best that I could do. I thought my books before were different, but of course I had a lot of fun doing this. It’s what every reader, it’s what every person in America would have loved to have done, which is to sit down and help George Bush understand the error of his ways and correct those errors. We would all love to have done that, right?

Dr. Kent: Absolutely.

John Wareham: To have a talk with him and say, “How could you ever condone torture,” and he says, “Well, it wasn’t,” and you say, “Give me a break.” Show it to him, show him clearly. Show that he cannot hide from it, right? And this is what happens in the book, but it’s done in a very pleasant way. So I mean, you’d like to confront him on that, you’d like to ask him about the deaths of the people that he killed, to get the opportunity to see how he responds when he’s out. The press, let’s be honest, the press never asked him a hard question ever, right?

Dr. Kent: Right.

John Wareham: They would ask him a question and then he would just go on at length over and over and over. Nobody ever seriously sat opposite of that man and said, “What the hell are you doing?” Right? Nobody ever did it. Right?

Dr. Kent: Indeed.

John Wareham: Nobody did it. Right. Right. And so he got away with that all that time. People have been much harder on Obama, who hasn’t done anything wrong yet, right?

Dr. Kent: Indeed. Yeah, and I could sit and talk with you for hours about this book, and with Dr. Mark Alter, the man who actually had a chance to confront George Bush. The book is called The President’s Therapist, and The Secret Intervention to Treat the Alcoholism of George W. Bush, and wow, what a topic. And thank you so much for talking with me at length here.

John Wareham: A great pleasure to be on the show, thank you so much for asking me.

Dr. Kent: Yeah, and people can check out more at johnwareham.com, or ThePresident’sTherapist.com, do I have that right?

John Wareham: Yes, right. Yes.

Dr. Kent: And of course the book is available wherever books are sold.

John Wareham: Everywhere but, you can also get it on Amazon as well, but it should be available in all bookstores as well, but if you have a problem, I mean for sure it’s on Amazon, it’s been on the bestseller list there ever since the day of Obama’s inauguration.

Dr. Kent: I can imagine. And what’s your next project?

John Wareham: I’ve got one, well actually I’ve got two, but I’m not going to talk about them because somehow if you do, the air goes out of it, but I’ve got something exciting that (inaudible). Oh, actually I’ve got some serious film interest in my earlier novel as well, called Chancey On Top. And I might also turn this, I might also turn this book into a (inaudible).

Dr. Kent: I’d love to see The President’s Therapist as a film, too, so, but what an honor chatting with you. It’s John Wareham, and The President’s Therapist. You have a wonderful day.

John Wareham: And you too, thank you so much.

Dr. Kent: And my next guest on the show is the author Sarah Allen Benton, and she wrote Understanding the High Functioning Alcoholic: Professional Views and Personal Insights. And we’re going to talk with her in just a minute. She is a college licensed mental health counselor, and she’s got some great insights. And it’s great to talk about that right on the tail end of The President’s Therapist, and The Secret Intervention to Treat the Alcoholism of George W. Bush. What if John Wareham created a situation where a therapist actually went into the White House and had a chance to counsel the former President. So come on back, and we’re going to talk with Sarah Allen Benton, and that will be great.

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